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  "Blood Guilty"

  by new boy in

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  guilt is such a wonderful tool used by the jehovah’s witnesses.

  one of the terms they love to use is the term “blood guilty.” they have actually used this term to guilt their members into doing more and more “house to house activity” yes, they have said on numerous occasions at their kingdom halls and other major gathering that a person “could be blood guilty” for not going out in the field service activity enough.

  the reason is simple.

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  new boy

  Guilt is such a wonderful tool used by the Jehovah’s Witnesses. One of the terms they love to use is the term “Blood Guilty.” They have actually used this term to guilt their members into doing more and more “house to house activity” Yes, they have said on numerous occasions at their Kingdom Halls and other major gathering that a person “could be blood guilty” for not going out in the field service activity enough.

  The reason is simple. Because you decided to work in your garden and not go door to door on Saturday, Mr. Sinner never got a chance to hear the Jehovah’s Witness's message about the coming destruction of all the bad people. Because Mr. Sinner never heard this message, there is a high probability he doesn’t join that religion. Because he didn’t join the only true religion he is still a sinner. Jehovah has no choice but to kill off Mr. Sinner his wife and two small children at Armageddon.

  So the Jehovah's Witness logic is that even though Mr. Sinner gets killed, YOU are now “Blood Guilty” because you never knocked on his door and now Jehovah holds you accountable for his death! So even though Jehovah did all the killing, you are the one that made him do it!

  So you are accountable too and now you are now "blood guilty."

  On the other hand all the elders that never did anything about reporting the pedophiles in their kingdom halls to the local authorities are not "blood guilty."

  This makes perfect sense.

  cool aid anyone?
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  Their Last Message of Damnation

  by new boy in

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  the leaders of the witnesses are preparing their flock for the day when they will have to give that last message of damnation.

  they will soon be announcing how their loving god jehovah will soon becoming to kill off the vast majority of mankind.

  billions of men women and children,.

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  The leaders of the Witnesses are preparing their flock for the day when they will have to give that last message of Damnation. They will soon be announcing how their loving god Jehovah will soon becoming to kill off the vast majority of mankind. Billions of men women and children,

  Knock Knock

  Hello

  Yes we are here to tell you Jehovah is coming and he is pissed and you are going away.

  Jehovah who?

  Jehovah god

  I have never heard of him. I have been living in Motuo China for the last thirty years.

  It doesn't matter, you are still screwed. Our message has changed and it's too late for you.

  Oh, and who are you?

  We are Jehovah's Witnesses. We worship the god of love Jehovah of course.

  Really the god of love who is about to to kill off billions of people, most of whom have never even heard of you guys?

  Yes

  By and chance have guys been drinking cool aid?
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  Shunning Part B

  by new boy in

  1. jw
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  i was shunned in high school.. did i do something inappropriate?

  nope, i was the perfect jehovah’s witness child.

  i was guilty by association.

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  I was shunned in high school.

  Did I do something inappropriate? Nope, I was the perfect Jehovah’s Witness child. I was guilty by association. Who did I have contact with that were considered a bad association? My parents. Yep, good old Mom and Dad. This interesting story will be told in the next chapter.

  So back to the many ways you can be shunned.

  There are only four ways of leaving the Jehovah’s Witnesses. So there are four ways that could lead to shunning. I say “could” because options three and four has some loopholes.

  1. You are “dis-fellowshipped.” You commit some kind of sin in the eyes of the Witnesses. For example, you commit “Immorality” meaning you have sex before you are married or you are married and have sex with someone besides your spouse. There are other sins you could commit, but these are by far the most popular. Once a sin has been committed, you meet with three Elders in the local congregation. If they feel you are not repentant enough for your sins, they will expel you from the congregation. Sometimes, even if you are repentant enough, they will still expel you anyway. They will do this to make an example of you to others. Or because they just don’t like you. It’s a “good old boy country club” and sometimes favoritism comes into play. You could be dis-fellowshipped in one Kingdom Hall and just get a slap on the wrist in another for the same offense.

  2. You “disassociate” yourself. You send a letter to the local congregation and resign your membership.

  Note: If either #1 or #2 above occurs, you will be definitely be shunned. You can never again have ANY contact with any of your Jehovah’s Witnesses friends or family. You are dead to them.

  3. In recent years, a new way to leave the Witnesses has become popular. It’s called “fading.” This is a tricky one. People who don’t want to make a complete break from the Witnesses do this option. Usually because the thought of not ever talking with their parents, spouses, children, siblings and loved ones is more than they can bear. It works just like it sounds. You move away from them slowly. Many times this requires an actual move to a new town or state. You might even tell your family and friends that you are still an active Witness but in reality you have moved on to a new life. Others have called this “A double life.” This phrase has been coined to describe mostly younger ones, teenagers and young adults who have two different lives. These are kids who are trying to keep their parents happy and will pretend to be a good Witness by going to the meetings and out in field service. However on the weekends, they will “party down” and act like “worldly” people. Whether you are a “double lifer” or a “fader” the results can be disastrous if caught. You could end up in the “back room” with the three Elders. This rarely goes well.

  4. The fourth and final option is death. Many who couldn’t face options #1, #2, or #3, have chosen this one. Yes, you can break free with suicide. There was a time when I even considered this option myself. I have known at least a half dozen people who felt this was their only option to leave. As I have said earlier, I personally have contributed to at least two people choosing this way out. But, just because you died or killed yourself doesn’t mean you can escape shunning—even dead people can be shunned. Many Witnesses have boycotted their family member’s funerals because they were not in “good standing” in the organization when they died. Sadly for many, there is no forgiveness even after you’re dead. My mother wouldn’t let my father go to his own father’s funeral because it was inside a Catholic church.

  So yes you can be shunned as a dead person.

  Yet they think of themselves as an organization of love.
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  First time

  by Deke in

  1. jw
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  good evening all, this is my first time posting.. been reading and following for two years.

  my story will come soon.... but i want to say to all, thanks for all the meaningful, intellectual, honest, and insightful words!!

  it’s been an interesting 48 years of service to an organization!

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  new boy

  Nice I got you beat by 4 years. 52 years a Watchtower slave.
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  Shunning Part A

  by new boy in

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  there is one very important question they should ask you before you get baptized, but for some odd reason they don’t.

  that question should be: “are you aware that if you join this religion by getting baptized, if you ever change your mind at any time in the future and decide to leave it, you will be shunned?

  this means your friends, parents, children and relatives will have nothing to do with you for the rest of your life.”.

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  There is one very important question they should ask you before you get baptized, but for some odd reason they don’t. That question should be: “Are you aware that if you join this religion by getting baptized, if you ever change your mind at any time in the future and decide to leave it, you will be shunned? This means your friends, parents, children and relatives will have nothing to do with you for the rest of your life.”

  So what is this shunning all about? This is the biggest tool The Watch Tower and Tract Society has to control its members.

  The dictionary says shunning is to persistently avoid, ignore, or reject (someone or something) through antipathy or caution. To avoid, evade, steer clear of, keep one’s distance from, have nothing to do with.

  Yep, shunning is a pretty powerful tool. How many people out there could handle being shunned by all your family members? Yet, if you ever decide to leave this religion that is what could be in store for you.

  Maybe it doesn’t matter if they ask this question because most eight and nine year olds would probably say yes anyway.

  Wouldn’t it be funny if they said no? “Mom, Dad, I changed my mind! I’m not getting baptized. Since there is a strong probably I might decide to be a homosexual in twenty years from now, I’ve decided not to get baptized after all. This way we can still be friends and you won’t have to shun me!”

  This really isn’t that funny because if thousands of kids could see their lives down the road many years later, they would certainly have never allowed themselves to get baptized in the first place. Sometimes joining the club is the worst thing you can do.

  If you are unrepentant and get dis-fellowshipped and thus shunned that’s one thing. If you are dis-fellowshipped but are repentant and want back into their organization, this is a whole different ball game. You must endure a brutal reinstatement process. Since they love you so much, they let you come back to their meetings. You can sit in the back of the Kingdom Hall with your eyes looking down, feeling the shame of your transgression. No, they don’t put a large scarlet letter on your clothes, but they might as well for how they treat you. No one can talk to you. You will get a lot of stares. This will happen for months or sometime even years. You will be treated this way until the Elders decide if you have paid the price for your sins. They must determine if you are truly repentant or just trying to put on an act of looking repentant. The more times you are dis-fellowshipped, the longer they will make you wait to get back in again. Or if they just don’t like you for some reason, you will have to wait longer too. Every group of Elders is different. In one congregation, you could be back in “good standing” and reinstated in just a few months for having sex before marriage; in another congregation, it could take a few years for the same offense. In some congregations, you might not get dis-fellowshipped at all for the same offense. If you are friends with some of the higher ups or children of some of the Elders you might get some special consideration. Yes, you might just get “reproved ” with no dis-fellowshipping at all. In fifty years as a member, I saw this happen dozens of times.

  I know it sounds strange, but for some odd reason many unbaptized people are treated better then baptized people in the organization. For example, a Jehovah’s Witnesses family could have two children. Let’s say the children are twins. One child is baptized and one is not. They both end up doing an activity that is not approved of by the Witnesses. If the baptized one is dis-fellowshipped, he will be shunned for sure. However the unbaptized one can’t be dis-fellowshipped because he never made a commitment by being baptized. So he might not get completely shunned. In this case, by making the decision as a child to get baptized, you are at a greater disadvantage then your unbaptized sibling. This brings us to our next question.

  So you must be baptized first in order to be shunned by Jehovah’s Witnesses later? Well, not necessarily. You can still be shunned if you are not baptized. You might be “marked.” This is usually done unofficially. The Elders or an Elder or just a group of “Brothers and Sisters” talk among themselves and determine which individuals in Kingdom Hall should be considered “bad associations.” You might not even know that you are marked. Most the time this is done unofficially. Sometimes it is done officially. In this case, the Elder will make an announcement to the whole congregation that certain people are considered to be “bad associations.” So you might know or you might not know that you are on their shit list. One way you will know is that people will start acting very differently around you. Yes, the unofficial shun.

  I know all of this is very confusing.
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  Do you think Ruthaford is buried at Beth Sharim?

  by blownaway in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  no one really knows where ruthaford is buried.

  there is some word of mouth evidence that he is buried under the garage of beth sarim.

  i think he is under the garage.

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  The front cover of the May/June 1996 Free Minds Journal provides a rearview of Beth-Sarim (indicating it was for sale) with a caption, “Is Joe [J.F.R.] buried in the back yard?” On the back page a brief review of Beth-Sarim concludes: “Fred Franz, fourth WT president, often indicated Rutherford was (illegally) buried in the back yard.” In a telephone conversation about the statement attributed to Franz, ex-Bethelite and Free Minds Journal editor Randall Watters said that he heard this from a number of persons who had worked in Watchtower headquarters.45

  This account is further verified by Mike, a Jehovah’s Witness, who along with a friend visited the Brooklyn headquarters early in 1987. Their visit took them to Franz’s office. He asked Franz about a story he had heard about a burial site on a piece of property that was not part of the original estate . Who was buried there? Without any hesitation — he remembers it as clearly as if it happened yesterday — Franz said, “Judge Rutherford was buried there.”
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  Do you think Ruthaford is buried at Beth Sharim?

  by blownaway in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  no one really knows where ruthaford is buried.

  there is some word of mouth evidence that he is buried under the garage of beth sarim.

  i think he is under the garage.

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  Rutherford has no known grave so in an interview with Fred Franz before he died he basically stated he was buried there. Rumor has it he is buried underneath the garage floor under 6 inches of concrete. Maybe he is down there inside one of his Packers.

  The society had to bury him on the sly because the city San Diego refused their request to do this there.
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  "New Light" on "New Light"

  by new boy in

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  it’s just the “new light” is much better and brighter than the old light.

  1965: more “new light.” these men will be resurrected, for sure.. 1988: jehovah apparently changed his mind once again.

  the light gets brighter.

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  Good question Tiki

  It usually goes this way.

  A married couple who have been enjoying good oral sex before they become JWs stop doing this activity now that they heard the truth about it. That it was something only Satan could have invented. In the heat of passion fall prey to temptation once again and do the unthinkable. Now one of the two (usually the wife) knows there is only one thing she must do. She must go to the elders and lay bare her and her husbands transgression.

  The three "brothers" who happen to be elders, none of whom have a college education. In fact one is a janitor, one is a car salesman (who used to watch porn late at night himself) and last brother who hasn't worked for years (because Armageddon is coming any day) will want to know in every detail how this act was preformed. They will want to know what she was feeling when this activity was happening....did she feel guilty.... what was she thinking...was she thinking about field service? Or maybe she was thinking about how she and her husband could be DFed for this and thus be killed at Armageddon.

  I hope this information has been helpful.
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  "New Light" on "New Light"

  by new boy in

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  it’s just the “new light” is much better and brighter than the old light.

  1965: more “new light.” these men will be resurrected, for sure.. 1988: jehovah apparently changed his mind once again.

  the light gets brighter.

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  Of course, the leaders of the Jehovah’s Witnesses can never say they were ever wrong about anything. The reason for this is that the leaders have told everyone a thousand times over, including in their publications, that this organization is run directly by God Himself. We are told that the “Governing Body” gets all their information directly from God. How else could God’s only true religion on Earth be run? That is why in their 150 plus year history, there has never been an apology. (Even with the 1975 debacle, they blamed the publishers for “reading too much into the date” and not themselves. More on this soon.)

  However, despite God running the place, the leaders have screwed up and changed their minds and policies over the years. They have done this on dozens of occasions.

  Since God can never be wrong, they had to come up with the term “new light.” The old light isn’t wrong of course. It could never be. It’s just the “new light” is much better and brighter than the old light. Very clever don’t you think?

  Here are some of the few examples of how “the new light” has come into play or as they say “the light has gotten brighter” over the years.

  On whether or not the gay men of Sodom would be resurrected to the paradise Earth:

  1879: These men will be resurrected.

  1952: The light gets brighter. These men will not be resurrected.

  1965: More “new light.” These men will be resurrected, for sure.

  1988: Jehovah apparently changed his mind once again. These men will not be resurrected!

  How about the separating of the "sheep and the goats ” during the judgment period?"

  1919: It will take place after the time of tribulation.

  1923: It is taking place now, before the tribulation.

  1995: Guess what? The light gets brighter. It will take place after the time of tribulation.

  Then you have the ‘Lord’ in Romans 10: 12-16

  1903: 'Lord' refers to Jesus.

  1940: The light gets brighter? 'Lord’ refers to Jehovah.

  1978: The light gets dimmer? 'Lord' refers to Jesus.

  1980: The light gets brighter once again? 'Lord' refers to Jehovah.

  These are just a few of the hundreds of things the Society has changed their mind on over the years.

  They say they are directed by god himself and they say he never lies. So why would their god Jehovah give so much false or misleading information over the years? How and why would he flip flop so many times?

  Seems light from god might be on a on a dimmer switch sometimes, brightening the light and dimming it once again.

  But who knows, maybe it’s not God changing his mind about all this stuff. It’s just a bunch of confused old church leaders, just like in the other religions in the world who all claim God is only talking to them.

  If this “new light” stuff is pretty confusing, just ask Jehovah’s Witnesses about it. They won’t be able to explain it either.

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  I called up Bethel a few minutes ago

  by new boy in

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  what the heck.. i couldn't believe it, norm brekkie and tom combs are still alive.. norm is so out of it he couldn't tell you what day of the week it was.. i talked to larry fisher he is gone mentally also.

  he couldn't even remember when he went to bethel.. then i called up daryl christenson.

  he wasn't so friendly.

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  No Carol Combs is very much alive in fact she was the one that picked up the phone first today. It has been 45 years since I had been there so of course they didn't know who the hell I was. I told both Norm and Tom they are both be in my book. Tom said "it will be flattering?" "Of course" I said. I'm going to mail them all the book when it comes out.

  The funny thing is,I saw so much nasty shit in just 4 years there can you imagine all the nasty stuff they have seen in over 50 years there....